I will try to find the article but sounds like a great load Mr. Todd!!! This new round is made specifically for subsonic and being suppressed . It is called the 8.6 and if I remember correctly it is a 338 projectile out of a 308 casing. Should be an excellent hog round and when shot out of a bolt gun might prove to be ultra quiet??. I did not read the whole article because I do not want to go out and purchase a new gun! that and I still do not have a suppressor. When someone goes gets one let us know what you think. BANG BANG!!