Feral Hog Poison

Crowebar

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The hogs CAN be controlled by shooters and trappers, poison has failed and had unintended results every time it is attempted. A more effective result would be IF the landowners would work with eradicators and trappers instead of fighting them. Also if the wildlife officials would stop the unnecessary regs on public land and allow night hunting and open seasons. It would also be helpful instead of poisoning the environment a bounty and or a market for the meat would be established...so as Sportsmen we SHOULD support the Petition!
This is true for over here in MS . For sure.....
 

Wildfowler

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We are just a glutton for punishment over here in Mississippi. Heck it was just two or three years ago where the game and fish department made it legal or lawful to actually kill a hog over a corn feeder.

The game and fish told me directly in person that they do not consider killing a hog to be anything remotely related to the sport of hunting. They do not want people to view killing hogs as any sort of sport activity.

On the flipside, I heard the yazoo/mississippi levee board hired a private individual to patrol the levee at night killing Hogs, from what I assume it must be the comfort of his own vehicle.

I would pay to have that job. That would be like my dream job.

All The beer and ammunition I could consume...... just keep my vehicle on top of the other wise not public and not for night travel levee at night. Just don't drive off the side? Yeah I could handle that and shoot everything that moves.
 

FrankT

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FL is OK, so far no poison, no limits, bait them ok, night hunting OK, no license for anyone on Private lands....Now they are stupid on public land, no baiting, no night hunting, short seasons and a permit and license.
 

gshock

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They were keeping it quiet for this exact reason. Someone got a huge under the table donation from the poison company.

Lone Star Boars Facebook alone has had over 70k people click on this and over 600 shares now. I have a feeling it's going to be a bad week for the Ag commissoner.

This is very likely what happened, or there is some financial gain some how.
 

Crowebar

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We are just a glutton for punishment over here in Mississippi. Heck it was just two or three years ago where the game and fish department made it legal or lawful to actually kill a hog over a corn feeder.

The game and fish told me directly in person that they do not consider killing a hog to be anything remotely related to the sport of hunting. They do not want people to view killing hogs as any sort of sport activity.

On the flipside, I heard the yazoo/mississippi levee board hired a private individual to patrol the levee at night killing Hogs, from what I assume it must be the comfort of his own vehicle.

I would pay to have that job. That would be like my dream job.

All The beer and ammunition I could consume...... just keep my vehicle on top of the other wise not public and not for night travel levee at night. Just don't drive off the side? Yeah I could handle that and shoot everything that moves.
Find out his name. Maybe he could deputize us.
 

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The hogs CAN be controlled by shooters and trappers,
With all respect FrankT this is not true in my area. Now there are so many people coming in from the cities that don't want cattle on their place and will not let anyone hunt except them selves. They think that no cattle means more deer, then after a few years they go to asking around why the deer have left and the hogs are tearing up everything. I could give you a dozen names. We even have some that will feed the hogs. Some people will use the poison, some will not. By saying this there will always be hogs and plenty of them even with the poison, the helicopter, the trapping and the hunting.
 

Chopperdrvr

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By saying this there will always be hogs and plenty of them even with the poison, the helicopter, the trapping and the hunting.
I fully believe this statement, however, if poison is being used in any area, who would be safe eating hogs.
 

FrankT

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MORE GOOD NEWS!!

More bad news on the hog poisoning program. A veterinarian on the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries who is a leading member of the states Feral HOG Task Force has advised against the use of Warfarin. Further, the Kaput feeders used for this have an 8 -10 lb. lid, while a raccoon was observed lifting a 23 lb. lid. Recipe for disaster. Playing with fire.


Feral hogs continue to pose problems; new product to control them under scrutiny
With the bulk of the hunting seasons closed statewide — small-game and snipe…
theadvocate.com|By The Advocate (Baton Rouge, LA)

LaCour said the product can take as long as four days after ingestion to kill a hog.

LaCour’s concern is immediate considering plans to introduce and market the product is set for May 1 in Texas. Not only is the proximity of Louisiana to its sister state a problem, but he said the short-term and long-term effects of the product needs further testing to determine its effect on other nontargeted species.


LaCour said directions for use of Kaput is that feeders equipped with 8-10 pound lids might not be enough of a safeguard to prevent other animals from getting to the drug-laced feed. He cited an instance where a raccoon was observed lifting a 23-pound lid on feeder.

LaCour’s testimony comes with another warning: “Though there are specific directions for the toxicant’s use … concerns are high for inappropriate use of the product, especially bait dumping on the ground by users.’’

He said his concern, and those of the Feral Hog Task Force, went beyond raccoons to the Louisiana black bear, and that the drug-laced feed could be scattered by feeding hogs and become available to squirrels among other animals.

What’s more, LaCour said nontargeted animals feeding on Kaput could pose a threat to predatory animals like bobcats, owls, hawks, eagles and vultures.
 
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Afalex1

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Does anyone have any contacts with Safari Club International? Maybe they can help lobby against the poison.
 

RattlesnakeDan

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From Texas Hog Hunters assoc.
I think they really don't care what we say!
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We are approaching 2500 signatures, we have started hitting news agencies and yet Sid Miller has a press conference today and with a straight face says this stuff is safe. Even on Kaputs website it shows dangers to non targeted species. Do they think we are this stupid. Did he forget he is an elected official? https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/ppls/072500-00026-20170103.pdf
 

Brian Shaffer

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I think they really don't care what we say!
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We are approaching 2500 signatures, we have started hitting news agencies and yet Sid Miller has a press conference today and with a straight face says this stuff is safe. Even on Kaputs website it shows dangers to non targeted species. Do they think we are this stupid. Did he forget he is an elected official? https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/ppls/072500-00026-20170103.pdf

Well, a few points. The THHA petition is nothing more than a popular petition to show interest. Miller doesn't have to care about it in the least, especially if he thinks he is doing right for Texas. That doesn't mean that he IS doing right, only that he thinks he is doing right. THHA should have waited until they had a few more people on board. Texas sells something like 560K hunting licenses alone, so nearly 2500 signatures isn't even a significant portion of the hunting population. It isn't even 25% of the THHA.

Does he/they think we are that stupid? Nope, just not going to argue the point.

Kaput does say that there are dangers to non-target species. That they acknowledge some danger is accurate, but not necessarily damming in and unto itself. That is the nature of poisons in general. There are risks. The real question is just how bad the risks are. This is the real sticking point between the two sides of the issue.

Did he forget he is an elected official? Hmmm? Did THHA forget that he is an elected official who doesn't take orders from a small special interest group? Did THHA forget that Sid Miller is the AGRICULTURE Commissioner. He isn't in office to protect the interests of hunters.

I know, the threat is that as an elected official, the hunters could rally together and vote him out of office. Well, he will be there minimally until 1 Jan 2019 and the guy is already close to retirement and plenty wealthy. I don't think he is worried about being voted out of office . Even if he might be, a small petition isn't enough to threaten his position. Coercion isn't going to work with him this early on.

Maybe the THHA petition wasn't the best idea. Keep calling your reps and Miller's office.
 
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FrankT

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you would think with the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries advising against it and why there would be more listening. After all they have tested and run trials longer than Texas has. Follow the money, Miller or his family have an interest in this poison company or the feeders or the license to use.
 

RattlesnakeDan

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The point Brian is that they are doing something, as well as others also are doing what they can to voice their opinions. It is that this came to the attention of the citizens after their decision was made. Is too late in the game to do anything...don't know. I do know that bad will always happen when good men do nothing. I was letting people read the pdf on kaput as well as the warning signs that are suppose to be posted.
 

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I showed the way it by calling your state reps. They can overturn Sid's decision.
 

Brian Shaffer

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The point Brian is that they are doing something, as well as others also are doing what they can to voice their opinions. It is that this came to the attention of the citizens after their decision was made. Is too late in the game to do anything...don't know. I do know that bad will always happen when good men do nothing. I was letting people read the pdf on kaput as well as the warning signs that are suppose to be posted.

The pdf is great. The LOUD, unproductive whining of THHA doesn't look so good. When a person/group results to essentially telling a government official that they know more about the official's job than the official, you know they have left the tracks. This is politics and Miller is a long experienced politician.

One thing the PDF really does show is how labor intensive use of Kaput will be. This alone may be the reason for the downfall of using this bait...

SURVEILLANCE AND FOLLOW-UP:
Dead hogs may begin to appear in or near the treatment areas within 4 to 7
days after bait placement. Applicators must return to the treatment site within 4 days after the first bait placements
were made, and at 2- to 4-day intervals thereafter, to inspect the site for evidence of dead or dying feral hogs and/or
dead nontarget animals. All carcasses found must be disposed of properly. Carcasses may be buried on site in
holes dug deeply enough that the entire carcass is at least 18 inches below the ground surface. Cover buried
carcasses up to the level of the surrounding ground. If burial is not practical (e.g., due to frozen or extremely hard
ground) and other disposal methods are allowed by State and local authorities, carcasses may be disposed of by
other methods to ensure that carcasses are not accessible to scavengers. Continue to monitor the treatment area to
collect and dispose of feral hogs and to search for non-target animals for at least two weeks after the removal of all
bait from the hog feeders. Deaths of any animals other than feral hogs that appear to be the result of baiting with this
product must be reported to State authorities.


I can't imagine anybody staying with this program for very long. How many farmers do you think that are going to bury dozens or hundreds of hogs? You can bet that folks will not be reporting their by-kills. This has Charlie Foxtrot written all over it.
 

Lancer

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Sid Miller and I are from the same small Texas town, his mom was my 5th grade teacher. He is and always has had his hand in agriculture as he and his family are in the nursery business. I'm sure he has be bombarded with pleas from farmers for years and years to help find a solution to the feral hog problem. This (at least on the surface) looks to be the best answer that has come along so of course he's going to support it. That's actually what we want our politicians to do - listen to the people they represent, in this case Farmers and Ranchers.
Now is this really a good idea? In my opinion- no it's going to be a mess and probably short-lived. TLM has correctly shown you the best way to fight this, get your voice out there to the people that represent you. And if it passes and goes into use- spread the word locally to farmers and ranchers of the dangers it presents - it's still up to individuals whether or not they use the stuff.
The personal attacks on Miller don't lend credibility to the cause. Unfortunately in my world hunters don't have the greatest reputation for every 1 of us that are responsible, ethical and legal hunters there are 10 idiots with a gun that don't care about the landowners property as long as they can get drunk and shoot stuff and then there are the poachers...
 

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I'll tell you one thing, if there is even the slightest suspicion that they are using this anywhere near me, I will never eat or give the meat away again. I'm not sure how I can be sure it isn't being used on someone's land in my area. Kind of makes me a bit paranoid, it's a matter of not trusting if I am being told the truth or not.

I wonder if there is any easy way to test the meat for the chemical?
 

OneK

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I wonder if there is any easy way to test the meat for the chemical?
If the pig has been poisoned the meat will be blue.

Awesome post Lancer!!! Very well said.
 

FrankT

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