Thermal clip on help?

Rjwoods101

New Member
Hello! My names Rob, im new too the forum. I have a flir rs32 2-9. I wanna sell and upgrade too one of atns thermal clip ons coming out this year. They have it in a few sizes , im particularly interested in the 35-50mm. I have primary arms optics, the 2.5, 3x and 5x and a few posp optics some bigger than 50mm. I was wondering if any of the clip ons would possibly work on these and if so which size would be best? Thanks for reading. - Rob
 

Brian Shaffer

Hog Hunter
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I know this isn't the information you are looking for, but my suggestion to you is to not buy a clip-on and to not ever buy anything from ATN. If you do decide to go those routes, then my next suggestion PARTICULARLY FOR ATN, is to never be one of the first adopters of any new product they have come out. Be patient. Let some other poor suckers beta-test the product and deal with the headaches of firmware conflicts and ATN customer service. Wait until they get the bugs worked out before you spend money with them.
 

scrmblr1982cj8

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I know this isn't the information you are looking for, but my suggestion to you is to not buy a clip-on and to not ever buy anything from ATN. If you do decide to go those routes, then my next suggestion PARTICULARLY FOR ATN, is to never be one of the first adopters of any new product they have come out. Be patient. Let some other poor suckers beta-test the product and deal with the headaches of firmware conflicts and ATN customer service. Wait until they get the bugs worked out before you spend money with them.

I totally agree with Brian. ATN customer service is horrible. I’d wait or look elsewhere.
 

wigwamitus

LSB Active Member
I do disagree with Brian on one point, but only barely. There are a tiny few thermal clipons that are worth having, that are repeatable to mount and have minimal POI shift.

Insight LWTS-LR
Trijicon Oasys UTC-xii

Other than that, the Insight LWTS is also good, but only supports up to 4-6x magnification, whereas the LWTS-LR supports 8-10x and the UTC-xii 16x.

BUT, the reason I say barely is the LWTS-LR run $14k ish and the UTC-xii run $20k ish ... and only small numbers are available.

Used LWTS have gone for around 7.5k-ish but again only small numbers are available.

For hogs, which is the theme of this site, the dedicated thermal, with the magnification on the front, is far and away, your best bang for the buck. You certainly don't need (or even want) and LWTS-LR or UTC-xii for hogs. Too heavy and to little FOV. Hence I said I only barely disagree. But my shortest answer would be the same as Brian's :)
 

wigwamitus

LSB Active Member
LWTS-LR (right) side by side with UTC-x

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LWTS-LR on 10x, cows are 250yds

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LWTS-LR on 308 bolt gun ...

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LWTS-LR 10x 100yds groups

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Groups off tripod at 100yds
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POA were the near corners, 3 rd groups. N group size was 7/16, E group size was 9/16
Decent groups but it was hard to aim precisely at the corners.
 

wigwamitus

LSB Active Member
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Top to bottom
Trijicon UTC-xii (12um)
BAE UTC-x (17um)
BAE UTC (25um)

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UTC on 2.5x cows at 250yds
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UTC on 308 bolt gun
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UTCx on 4x cows at 250yds
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wigwamitus

LSB Active Member
Trijicon SNIPE on 308 bolt gun

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SNIPE, Hybrid mode heated steel 400yds 4x
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SNIPE, clipon mode, heated steel 400yds 4x
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SNIPE, cattle 150yds 2.5x, hybrid mode
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SNIPE, cattle 250yds 4x, clipon mode
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As you can tell, even the $10k list price SNIPE doesn't cut it image wise in clipon mode, so I sold it. Interestingly, it was no worse at 10x than it was a 2x. It's POI shift, with the as delivered DLOC mount averaged .65 MOA in repeated tests I did, so it was in the ball park repeatability wise, with its more expensive brothers.
But I really don't like the joy stick interface for zeroing on boresighting and for target shooting, I could not get consistent beyond 400yds.

So the SNIPE is "almost there" ... but not quite, unfortunately.
 
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